One last sonnet for our blog! This is Shakespeare's 25th sonnet. As usual, please comment on your thoughts or feelings about the sonnet. Make sure that you proofread your comments and that you include at least four sentences in your comments.
Sonnet 25
Let those who are in favour with their stars
Of public honour and proud titles boast,
Whilst I, whom fortune of such triumph bars,
Unlooked-for joy in that I honour most.
Great princes’ favourites their leaves spread
But as the marigold at the sun’s eye,
And in themselves their pride lies burièd,
For at a frown they in their glory die.
The painful warrior famousèd for might,
After a thousand victories once foiled
Is from the book of honour razèd quite,
And all the rest forgot for which he toiled.
Then happy I, that love and am beloved
Where I may not remove nor be removed.
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In the first few lines the poem is saying to let people who are more fortunate brag about the things that they have while I, who is less fortunate be happy with what I am already blessed with. He's comparing the more fortunate to marigolds because marigolds only come out if the sun is present. He also states that their pride lies buried which I think means that its hidden but not the fact that they're fortunate but the fact of who they really are is buried. He also says that because of their pride when someone frowns at them their pride is destroyed. The last part is basically saying that you could have won 1,000,000 battles but 1 loss outways that 1,000,000 so it's like you've never even won them. The last two lines are saying that I, the less fortunate one, am appreciative of what I have and exaggerate none therefore I have nothing to lose.
ReplyDeleteThis is the sonnet that we worked on this morning. but anyway, I think the sonnet was telling me that anyone with a famous reputation or with the most power will focus more on themselves instead of focusing on what's more important like family which later brings them down as described in the second pharagraph. I learned alot from this sonnet that you can't take your popularity too literary. Famous people should read this sonnet.
ReplyDeleteShakespeare is saying that people who are rich or lucky feel happiness all the time. But he feels more joy than they ever could by love. He is saying that feeling joy a lot of times gets old. He is comparing his joy to a warrior winning 1,000 battles. -Randy Bridges
ReplyDeleteI understand what it is staying,it is saying that that fame dies away, and you won't stay famous forever. I also think it is saying that you need to try to make an impact on the world, and make a difference, so people will remember you. This is my favorite sonnet so far, because I actually understand it. It is a shame that you won't be posting anymore sonnets, because I was just starting to like them.
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To me the first line in the sonnet is saying that people with proud titles and public honor should just keep on boasting because people who aren’t so fortunate in the public eye find joy in what they honor and love, not in people’s opinions. Shakespeare then describes that a great prince has pride buried deep in him and in nothing else. When the prince dies, his pride dies with him and he has nothing of value left. As another example, Shakespeare says that a great mighty warrior who has won many battles fails once, he is erased from the book of honor and everything else he has done is forgotten. I think Shakespeare is trying to get the message across that being loved and loving others is permanent. Without love and only honor or pride, it can be erased and torn down. Love is lasting and leaves an impact.
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ReplyDeleteYou are really good at explaining your thoughts on the sonnet. I recognized that he was comparing a marigold in the sun, but I didn’t catch the thought that marigolds only come out in the sun so some people blossom only when the spotlight is on them or when other people are there to see. As soon as someone frowns at them, they caught up in their own glory, it wilts. I enjoyed this sonnet a lot. I love how Shakespeare puts focus not on being famous or being an “it” person in the center of attention, but being yourself and loving others.
This is a poem that confused me but I could read without looking up any words. In my mind Shaksphere is saying that he does not care if the rich boast because he has more joy than them because he is loved. He also makes reference to a marygold witch confused me a little. Shakshere is either making a refrece to a rich person or the way he gets joy.
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I agree with Randy and his comparison between the warriors and Shakshere's joy. I also like what Leigha when she say's that a princes pride dies with him. Although this is not always true it can be when they are not a good ruler. One of the last sentences on Leigha's say's " lovitng and being loved is perminant." In my opinion this sentence sums up the whole sonnet.
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I was a little confused on the message of this poem. I think it is talking about certain people that have happiness. In the first few lines, I think he mean people that are rich or are of a higher class. I think maybe toward the end of the poem it could mean the less fortunate.
ReplyDelete--kaitlyn Henderson
I am commenting on Leigha
ReplyDeleteI really like how you explain your thoughts on the poem. After reading your comment I read the poem again and tried to see the poem in your way. I agree with you a lot about the way you see it. I really like that you gave several examples from the poem.
--Kaitlyn Henderson
At the beginning of this sonnet, I think that it says that someone has too much pride. I think it says that one person has too much pride over something small. When someone else feels that what he's done is wonderful and he can have a lot pride into what he did. Next, he saying that since he has too much pride it buries him and he feels ashamed or something close to that. At the end, I think he says that a famous person may do something but if that person didn't do something worthy enough to remember then no one will remember him or
ReplyDeletewhat he did. And a person who is loved will so love in return therefore he will not be removed or forgotten.
I think this poem is about how pride comes before a fall. In the first four lines it talks about someone with lots of power and money who are always boasting about themselves. Next, when it says,"For at a frown they in their glory die." it is talking about the man when he finally messes up and no one cares about him anymore. I think this poem is talking about how easy it is for somone to loose everything from one mistake. I think that is what the line,"After a thousand victories once foiled" is talking about. I can think of a lot of examples of this happening, most recent being Tiger Woods.
ReplyDeleteROBERT THERRELL
@ David
ReplyDeleteI totaly agree with your comment. I think that the guy in this sonnet became so self centered he forgot to love other people and when he finally lost everything no one cared about him. I guess this sonnet is about focusing on what really matters in life. That sounds like the theme from the last sonnet we had on this blog. I am starting to get the song I mentioned in that comment stuck in my head.
ROBERT THERRELL
I agree with Jasmine. Someone that does something small bring big pride to them. I now understand the ending, it makes much more sense. To be remembered you have to do something big or huge. The ending is great. Like you get love for loving someone, and love is one of the biggest things that won't let someone forget you.
ReplyDeleteI think that this poem is saying that fame is not important. It says that fame will not last which would make it not important. I do not think that this is true for two reasons. The first is that show famous people are remembered forever. The second reason is that fame can come form things like inventions and if the invention is continually used.
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I like what Randy said about Shakespeare’s joy but I don’t agree with it. He said that Shakespeare is comparing his joy to a warrior winning 1,000 battles. The poem said that the warrior once foiled, which would not be compared to joy. He could have been talking about his own sadness thought.
ReplyDeleteWes Boehm
This is a comment for Jasmine M.
ReplyDeleteI can see what you are saying, and I agree, I think it can be interpreted anyway you want. However, I don't agree with you about the love part, I think it means that if you leave a mark on society, you will never be forgotten. But again I agree with you about the famous person who in the end isn't remembered when they die. Hope you understand and agree with me.
~Brandon Rader
I do not understand this sonnet
ReplyDeletefor some apperent reason. This vocabulary used in this sonnet confused me alot. If i could get somebody to translate what the sonnet meant maybe i would have like it. The only thing i did understand was something that had to do with fame and that fame isn't everything
In a few words I suppose I could say that I don't understand this poem at all. Even if I was with Shakespeare when he wrote I wouldn't understand it. Well there is one possible thing I might say I understood and that being him complaining again. I kind of think that this is another one of those sonnets where he complains.
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I think the poem is talking about that everyone has courage inside themselves. also like Thomas Edison a thousand failures are not failures but more steps to success. But those who get to cocky in themselves and think that no one is better than them are the most likely to fall. the lesson learned is that you must learn from your mistakes and adapt to situations not just ignore them.
ReplyDeleteI thought that this sonnet was great because it was talking about how people who are not famous shouldn't dwell because they are gifted like everyone else is. I thought that the sonnet was talking about how people who are famous brag about how famous they are and don't care about anything else, while people who aren't famous should be glad for what they have been blessed with. It was true when Shakespeare talked about how famous people can be removed while people who aren't famous can't be removed since they are loved. So in other words, people who are not famous have something special about them.
ReplyDeleteAndrew Simpson
I liked this sonnet.I had to re-read it a couple of times to actually understand it.I think it's talking about someone famous who feels happiness all the time. I think he saying that he is happier with love than with being famous.
ReplyDeleteI totally agree with Robert Therrell. I agree with the fact that Shakespeare is talking about how a famous person can be forgotten about and not cared for anymore, while someone who cares for other eople a lot will never be replaced. There are a lot of examples in the world today, like your example, Tiger Woods. The fact that one mistake can bring someone down is totally true. That is why it is important for everyone to care for others and not be a mean person.
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I agree with Leigha.I like what she said about a great prince has pride buried deep in him and in nothing else.I agree with the part about the message Shakespeare is trying to get across is that being loved and loving others is permanent. After reading her comment i understood the sonnet much better. Thanks Leigha!
ReplyDeleteWhat is the meaning of joy? It means to be happy and that you should kind to people instead of being a jerk to everyone. The key to happiness is to do what you love to do istead of doing what you hate. But in the world we live in people seem to find little joy anymore. But I say there is plenty of joy to go around. Chris Meindl
ReplyDeleteI think at the starting of this Sonnet, he is saying how we should let fortunate people brag about their stuff because they are fortunate. And then it's like he is saying he has nothing to brag about or honor. To me, practically the whole poem is like him talking about how he is jealous of everyone else. But in the end he says that he does have something to love and cherish.
ReplyDeleteThis comment is to Shamar.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you when you say you don't really understand it. I had to reread it a couple times to sort of understand what I thought of it. I don't think he is really complaining. To me, it's like he is saying how people brag and how it makes him jealous. But I see how you think he complains in a lot of his Sonnets.
@Ashley
ReplyDeleteReading your comment helped me understand this sonnet a little better. I like how you put that his pride may just be hidden. His pride may not make him small in character therefore making himself feel buried. I also like how you said that you could win all those battles but lose one and that one outweighs the bigger battles. To me, it helps to understand the last bit of the sonnet. I agree with you on the whole how I'm the less fortunate then I appreciate more.
He is saying that you can have everything in the world but people will eventually forget about you. But having love and being loved endures forever. Having titles and praises from people that do not really care about you it not important. I actually liked this sonnet.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Andrew that people should not dwell that they are not famous but should be glad of the things they have like being loved. Being a star or famous can go away as easily as it came. When you are truely loved this last forever.
Michael Holland
This poem was confusing to me but i read it a couple times and I got it.The first few lines are about people that you don't really like that are in "favor of the stars" or are very lucky that like to bragg. You may hate hearing it but in the end you will come out better because you do not look for pride and joy in boasting.Living in this way you will prosper.
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I totally agree with Leigha's perspective when she says that Shakespeare describes that a great prince has pride buried deep in him and in nothing else.That is exactly how I felt. I imagined a prince , that has isolated himself emotionally with himself and his ego. It is like his ego is so big, so wide , so strong that it won't fit into the room with him. Basically the prince has chosen to let the ego take the space in the room that his family may have once had.
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I think this poem is saying that fame and fortune will bring you down. I think it's kind of like the saying "pride comes before a fall." Shakespeare is proclaiming that even after a thousand victories, if you fail once, it all disappears. The point of the whole poem I think is made in the last lines. Shakespeare says,"Then happy I, that love and am beloved Where I may not remove or be removed." He is saying that he is grateful that he may not have fame or fortune, but love which takes care of him. Love is more precious than victory and pride.
ReplyDeleteEmiy of 5th
I totally agree with Robert. We actually quoted the same quote. Shakespeare's point is to not take so much pride in yourself, because eventually it will fail. I liked the tie in of Tiger Woods. I think that puts it into perspective for the rest of the people who have a harder time getting it. Real world examples help out a lot.
ReplyDeleteEmily of 5th
I've read many of the comments, and to me it makes sense that Shakespeare is less fortunate than others, but happy enough with what he does have. A lot of people think that they can only make it through life as long as the have attention and millions of things to boast about, most things being materialistic. But Shakespeare realizes that the most important thing is that he hasn't let his true self be buried under hype, lights, and fame. He's got family and probably a beautiful girl to love. Your riches lie where you heart is. His heart is in the things that money simply cannot buy.
ReplyDeleteI believe that at the beginning of the Sonnet, it is talking about how you should compare the one's with more things and more money, to the one's that are in poverty. Also that the people with the money should brag and let everyone know that tehy have money, and the poor people should just sit quiet and be content. At the end of the sonnet, I thought that it was saying that the poor people should stay quiet because they have nothing to show the people. Also that if they stay quiet they will have nothing to lose, that they haven't lost already.
ReplyDeleteEmily of 5th,
ReplyDeleteI totally agree with what you said. "Pride comes before the fall" is a quote I've often heard. I believe it to be true. You can have many things in life to boast about, but one mistake can ruin it forever. I think that's why a lot of famous people attempt (and are even successful at) killing themselves. They thought that fame and fortune could make them happy. Because of that, they sometimes probably forgot that at the end of the day, those things don't matter. Because they forgot that, they forgot what true happiness is really like.
I think that this sonnet is talking about a war and the honor the soldiers have, and how some of the soldiers die with that honor. When it is talking about the stars and public honor I believe that it is referring to when soldiers earn stars for doing glorious things. The public honor is because if people see a solider with stars on his clothing then they will honor them for being a hero. Sometimes in other countries the soldiers do not only have to protect the people but also high honors in that country such as a princes's the royalty needed's to be protected so they can lead the country. Also other lines of this sonnet lead me to thinking that this was being told about armies and the wars that they are in.
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I am commenting on Ashleyzp. Ashley I totally agree with what you said. When I read this sonnet I could picture in my mind that there was a village, and the rich people were on one side with a lot of peop, and the poor people were on another side with nobody. I really liked how you explained the marigolds, I never thought of it that way. I agree with what you siad about how the poor people should be content and how the rich people should tell the world about their money. My favorite part of what you said was when you said that not just their pride is burried, but that their lives are burried too.
ReplyDeleteI agree with what Wes said once I read his comment then went back and read the poem again I saw where he was coming from. I liked how he gave examples of why he thought that teh sonnet was about how fame is not important. I believe that fame is also not important because teh thing that makes fame so important is media making things seem worse then what it really is. If poeple wouldn't worry about other people and only about themselves these famous people would only be famous for what they really should be famous for which is the work that they did. This is how I agreed with Wes and what he thoughts this sonnet ment.
ReplyDeleteCasey Jeanfreau
I think that this poem is talking about how people live thier lives. It is saying that people have courage and can succeed even if the odds are against them. I really enjoied reading this poem. I am sad that it is the last sonnet becasue I like reading them.
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I thought this sonnet is about how people that are famous, royal and well known, aren't as happy as people that are not. They might seem happy, but really their not. People that live normal lives and that are surounded by people that love them are happier. Famous people might boast about their great fortune but that may just be an act. Those people start to want more and more, and when they don't get it they start to not appresiate what they have. People that aren't in the public eyes, I think, appreciate want they are given and they don't take it for granted like others might. My favorite line from this sonnet is, "Then happy I, that love and am beloved
ReplyDeleteWhere I may not remove nor be removed."
@ashleyzp
ReplyDeleteI agree with what you are saying. People become greedy and they always want want they can't have. I have brown strait hair, but I've always wanted brown curly hair. I want the hair that I can't have. People who have the curly hair usually want strait hair. I am starting to be more content and thankful for the hair that I have. By being greedy you envious of what you don't have, instead of being happy with what you are blessed with. "In the first few lines the poem is saying to let people who are more fortunate brag about the things that they have while I, who is less fortunate be happy with what I am already blessed with." That line is exactly what I am trying to say.
I think this poem is saying that you have to work hard to achieve greatness. You should be proud of yourself when you do. That also means, however, that you need to be humble. Never give up on yourself.
ReplyDeleteI think that it is aying that rich people are shallow. it is saying that they dont get to have all of the joys in life. it is saying that they aren't rich in more than the money way. it is saying that they dont get moral joy and happiness.
ReplyDeletethis is definately what shakespeare is saying.
This poem really confused me. But I think he was talking about love. When he talks about love, I think he thinks that love is confusing. Even though you don't know what love is going to bring you, don't give up on something that makes you happy.
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@ Savannah
ReplyDeleteI really liked what you said. I liked your point of view when you said "you have to work hard to achieve greatness." I think you should be proud of yourself when you achieve greatness. And I also agree that you should never give up on yourself.
-Julia
I believe this sonnet was saying that when someone becomes famous let them brag about their success. On the first line when it says,"In favour with their stars," I think shakespeare is saying that a famous person or thing got them to be happy about what they have succeeded in. In this poem it also seems that he is comparing a famous person to a person who does'nt have much money. As I read the poem it seemed that he is also saying don't let anyone take your dream away from you. I loved this poem.
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Henry 2 @ Wes- I agree with Wes 100%. I agree with him because fame will not last forever and the whole second line of the poem seems that he is saying that. When I commented that famous people that have money were being compared to people who didn't have money I think that when he was saying that he could have also been saying that fame is not important. One thing I can say though is that fame is not important to me if you are going to brag about it but if you use your fame properly than you can live your own life.
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I think the first paragraph is talking about people who boast and think of themselves too highly and how it brings you no joy only self-hatred. The rest of the poem is saying how you can succeed as much as you want and people won't care but when you fail everyone makes a big deal out of it. This poem is meaningful to people who think they're better than everyone else. And to anyone who can relate to this.
ReplyDeleteI think this poem is talking about what happens as a consequence of being too prideful and selfish. In the beginning I think it is saying that people that do more things for others and not just to get attention are more respected. In other words selfless actions are more honorable than selfish actions. The middle, to me, is saying that show-offs usually end up not getting attention. I'm not sure if the poem is saying this in the last two lines but i think it might be hinting that if you have people in your life that love you, you don't have to go out of your way to get extra attention.
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@Emily of 5th
ReplyDeleteI think the main idea of this poem was "pride comes before the fall." Although i don't think Shakespeare was alive to hear this famous quote but i could be wrong... Anyway i always enjoy reading other people's comments becuase it opens my mind to a different meaning of something. These other comments also help me understand what the poem could be saying if i don't understand it after reading it over a couple of times.
I think the main idea of this poem was that people who boast about their belongings doesn't mean that they don't apprecitate it, and people who are less fortunate that show that they do appreciate their belongings. My favorite line of the poem was when he sais,"Great princes’ favourites their leaves spreadb But as the marigold at the sun’s eye,
ReplyDeleteAnd in themselves their pride lies burièd,
For at a frown they in their glory die." This is my favorite line because when I read it over and over, it makes me feel i'm a princes and that just because I don't have everything everyone else has, that i'am still fortanate and blessed. I really enjoyed this poem because it made me look at life differently.
Victoira Hayes
Robbert, I deffinately see what you are saying. I believe that "pride cometh before the fall" just like you said. This is also what I see from what I wrote down in my paragraph. I also believe that one simple mistake will make the world change the views they see you. If you are a boastful person, people will not listen to you and will turn their back from you.
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I agree 100% with ashleyzp, because I do believe that in the beginging of the pome they were talking about people who are more fortunate brasg and boast and for the people who aren't let them be happy with the blessings they already have. When I first started to read this poem, I was a little surprise at how I understood it so well. I hope that the rest of the poems for the year are just as good as this one.
ReplyDeleteAshley really helped me put all of it together from the start to the begining.
Victoria Hayes
I believe that this poem is comparing two people in the first two paragraphs. The thing that is being compared is a person that is prideful and boast towards their things against the person that has his pride buried in his life. In other words the second person is humble towards things in life. I think that this person can be shown in todays time. The ones that have what they want when they want and are spoiled, they will have the spirit that is boastful and pride will show, but also when there is someone that waits or saves for something instead of getting something when he wants, better is he.
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I think that in this sonnet that Shakespeare has written he is trying to say that if you are a person of honor and pride you might be beaten in the battle but never defeated in the war. I really like this sonnet as I look at it as it would be said before a rivalry game to boost the playeras and encourage them. So that when they start the game they play their best no matter what the overall outcome is. This sonnet is also like a self-respect sonnet, I mean this as Shakespeare says that like if you din't respect your self and what you stand for then why lie about it!
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Wow, Kahlil I didn't see it as Shakespeare is refering to rich people. So after I read your comment I just had to go back and reread the sonnet. As I reread the sonnet I trully could see how you could get that. That's so cool how you got it as that and I got it as an encouragement sonnet. And you could totally see how Shakespeare could think of snobby rich people.
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I think that Shakespeare in this sonnet became very egotistical. When Shakespeare refers to love, I think that he thinks that it's mysterious. If you're an arrogant to people they won't pay attention to you and completely ignore you. I believe that love can bring delight to your everyday life, but, it can also bring you grief and pain, but then again that the rice one pays to love.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Robet T. because when he stated that pride comes before a fall, it reminded of an old saying that "winner becomes losers and losers becomes winners." this probably could've happened to some celeberties not just tiger woods. This sonnet tells me of what shakespeare thinks about selfcentered fame and popularity. Thanks for the reply on my comment.
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I agree with what Kristina Nelson said. I agree with her last sentence. "' But in the end he says that he does have something to love and cherish."' I disagree with her second sentance. "'And then it's like he is saying he has nothing to brag about or honor.'" I think that we can both agree to disagree.
ReplyDeleteThis sonnet wasn't to hard to understand. I think that it talked about how people with a higher status in the view of the public can go on "bragging" about their fame but they do not get the total satisfaction of what it is like to really enjoy something. He compared it to a warrior who has own a thousand battles. The warrior can win all of the battles and obtain a great reputation and one slip up and all of it is gone. Fame does not always last forever.
ReplyDeleteI must of read this poem 15 times and then finally decided to just translate it sentence by sentence. I think the first paragraph is saying that some people will brag about the things they have. I have the same things and being modest about them makes me joyful, just as much as those who brag. The last paragraph I think means that the person will not give up no matter what happens. No matter how beaten down they get, they'll stand right back up and try again.
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I agree with Ashley. I didnt look at the poem in that point of view. I can see where your getting the fortunate and blessed part. Its in the first couple of sentences. I also agree with her on the last part because it does say that a thousand fight could be fought but if you loose one then its like you never won the other thousand.(The painful warrior famousèd for might, After a thousand victories once foiled Is from the book of honour razèd quite,
ReplyDeleteAnd all the rest forgot for which he toiled).
-sara damas-
I like the first stanza, where he seem so be ssaying: sure, everybody's got something greater then me, but let them brag, I don't care, because I have something far more important to be proud of, and that's your love. And the second stanza, about the marigolds as iof to say: These people are so proud, they do not know true love, they are brittle, and with one unpleasant look they would fall from their pride. My favorite part of the enitire sonnet though, at the end, when he says, a warior will fight and be stripped of all his honors, but I am so lucky to love in a place where no body can strip my honor. I loved this poem, sheakspear has a great way of expressing his love.
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I think that this sonnet means that you should let the rich and famous people boast all they like because they will never have what other people have. I think that this sonnet is comparing the things in life in which you start of with and once you become rich you start to die and lose tiny things that you once used to cherish. The people with out money see the beauty in life even though they do not have a lot. Im not saying that all rich people boast and treat everyone not so great but most rich famous people do.
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2nd period
I really liked this sonnet because I think it's saying that some people have nothing in life and their happy with the way they are. Usually people with a lot of money brag and talk about all they have, and make people without money feel bad. People who have almost nothing, never give up, they keep working each day, and they are happy with what they have, how they look, and how they live. People that have a lot keep working, and they are never happy with what they have, they always want more, meanwhile, people with not much in they're pocket and not much in they're house, are happy and greatful with what they have
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Jacob Jones Commenting on Sarah Damas
ReplyDeleteI like Sarah's comment because she was able to decipher the comment and come up with something similar that i said. I also like the fact that she was able to make something out of the last few lines. I was not really able to decipher the last few lines because i was not sure what the sonnet was getting at. I really liked this poem and that me and Sarah were able to come up with the same type of idea.
I think that this poem is talking about if you accomplish all of your goals everything will work out just like you want it to. It's saying that it would workout just like it works out for all the kings. I think it is also talking about that if you believe in something and you love it, it will happen. I believe that this poem was very direct and was explained very well.
ReplyDeleteI am commenting on Ashlie's comment.
ReplyDeleteI agree with what she's saying, because it is very similar to mine. I think that she's right because I also think that this poem is talking about love. My favorite part of the sonnet was the same as her's to. I think that it is very good because it talks about love.
I after I read Andrew Simpson's comment I went back and re-read the sonnet and I do agree with what Andrew is saying. I do too think that Shakespeare is talking about how being famous or not being famous shouldn't affect how you are but it does. I also agree with what Sydney said because I think he's happier with love than he is with fame. More people should be like that unfortunately it doesn't work out like that.
ReplyDelete**Emerald Garrett**
ReplyDeleteThis was a poem that the more you read it the more you understood it. I think I finally understand it but now comes the putting it into words thing. I think Shakespear was saying that others can seek approval and get their pride from people but he prefers the unseen honor. He was saying that you can have all the pride in the world but it will die with you. But he is lucky because he is loved unconditionally and he cannot remove the love nor can it be removed.
@ Brandon Rader
ReplyDeleteI agree with your comment. I did not see it that way at first, but as I looked over it, I see how it could say fame is dying. You should not be egotistic because what you believe makes you who you are(if it is an earthly possession) could be taken away from you in an instant. If you have the power, you should use it to help humanity, just like you said.
**Emerald Garrett**
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I totally agree with Leigha's comment. As a summary of the entire poem I think that Shakespear, in his own poetic way, was saying that pride lasts a minute but love is forever. I like the way he versed the line about a princes pride fading at the sight of a frown. People still do that today they might be on top of the world on minute but becuase of someone's opinion of them or a nasty look from somebody they shirnk back. And I want to add to my earlier comment. When Shakespeare mentioned the warrior would be recorded in history but the triumphs leading up to that forgotten, people do that all the time even today and I think that meant that once you get to a certain point of fame you forget your root sometimes.
I thought this poem was about love and also about people bragging their love. Bragging about love doesn't make sense to me but it seems true. Also I think this sonnet is about love because of the way he said the last part of the sonnet, he said that a warrior can have his medals taken away but not his lady. This makes me think about all the soldiers in the war, and how they can't see their lady but they will always know that they still have her.
ReplyDelete@ Ashlie
ReplyDeleteI agree with Ashlie because it was almost the same thing I said. She said that the warrior in the war can have his medals taken from him but not his lady. I wanted to add something to hers, and it was that It felt like she left out the part where the soldier will always have the love of his lady soldier. Also that it would not be a doubt in his mind that she would find someone better than him, even if he is bragging about all the fancy things he has.
I agree with emily of 5th. The 'pride before the fall" does mean a lot. But what it means to me is that pride which can be many things it can be a sin and a good thing. But if you have to much pride it can cause your downfall. The fall means that you have taken in to much that it causes you to do something stupid. That is why pride is a bad thing. Chris Meindl
ReplyDeleteThis sonnet says many things. To me it is talking about life lessions that we need to know. It starts off by saying: "Let those who are in favour with their stars;Of public honour and proud titles boast; Whilst I, whom fortune of such triumph bars; Unlooked-for joy in that I honour most", this is talking about we don't need to do things just for praise. It's saying that there are the people that do that, but we should not be that way and do what is needed because it's the right thing to do. In the end it says: "The painful warrior famousèd for might; After a thousand victories once foiled; Is from the book of honour razèd quite; And all the rest forgot for which he toiled; Then happy I, that love and am beloved; Where I may not remove nor be removed." This is talking about how you need to always show who you really are, for examaple, if you try not to talk and get in trouble in school, then when you make a mistake you are less likely to get into trouble because you have never done it before. Basicaly you are the warrior, if you always do your best and may fail once, it was still your best and will be understood.
ReplyDelete@ molly
ReplyDeleteI read your comment and at first I was confused with what you were saying about how the poor should be quite. When I reread the sonnet and started comparing it made perfect sense. After reanlizing what it said I changed my idea about what they mean. It's talking about how the rich boast and how the poor should be quite, but it also says "Unlooked-for joy in that I honour most". To me this is saying, insted of looking what others have, be greatful for what you do have. I do agree with what you are saying, but I do think that there is still a message in it.
I think that the sonnet is about people that have this great victory and when they mess up once there victories count for nothing and the only thing remembered is there failure. I think that the part where he said that "After a thousand victories once foiled" states that what I said is correct. The part in the end says that those that never clime that high never fall that hard and live life happily. The fact that people that don't have huge reputations are more likely to have a happier life is what he is talking about.
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I agree with Ashley. I didn't catch the thing with the Marigold but after I read her comment and I think it is a very good point. She brought my attention to a lot of good points that I didn't see. Usually people don't see things that others do and so it helps to read others blogs.
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ReplyDelete@ robert therell
Wow! I didn't even look at it from that perspective. Now, that you've mentioned that it makes me think that Shakespeare wanted us, as in his readers, to come up with our own meaning of his works. The fact that we can have a completely different comprehension of the poem and still be both correct reassures me. Now that you've connected it to love I have a completely different thought on what he means.
I also agree with robert. I like the way you explained the poem. I also agree on the part when you said "Next, when it says,"For at a frown they in their glory die." it is talking about the man when he finally messes up and no one cares about him anymore." This part is so true because when a person does have it all they step on and hurt other people as if they dont matter. Also on the part where you said that it is easy for someone to lose everything from one mistake. I like this because it doesnt just apply to one certain group of people but to everyone.
I understand what this is saying, its explaining how love never dies but fame does. He is explaing that being rish and famous can fade away but love will always be there. Its saying if you love something it will always be there. This poem was very understanding and i liked it a lot.
ReplyDelete@ Tatiana
ReplyDeleteAfter reading Tatianas comment i realize we have the same thoughts of the poem. She also says how if you want something and you love it you shall get it and i thought the same. She said that its saying if you accomplish all your goals good shall be done to you and to me i thought thats kinda what the sonnet was explaining. She explained the sonnet as much and same as i did.
I think that this poem is talking about how people think that they are so much better than every one else. I think that the person in the poem is saying that some people are stuck up and think that they are better than everyone else. The person in the poem is not praised for being good but is not stuck up either. This is the only poem that i really had trouble understanding so far, so I still confused on the full meaning.
ReplyDeleteI like the first stanza, where he seem so be ssaying: sure, everybody's got something greater then me, but let them brag, I don't care, because I have something far more important to be proud of, and that's your love.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Ashleys comment. I agree with what she has to say about the first stanza. I can see were Shakespeare is saying that one of the character is better than the other. But the least of the two doesn't care because he has something better. When I wrote my comment i wasn't sure how to get this across and i didnt understand it that well. Your comment helped me complete my thoughts on the poem. I think that you comment was very well thought out.
I think the first part of this was talking about someone that might be famous take to much pride in it. Maybe forgetting about something more important. In the second part it sounds like they take to much pride and die for some reason. I understood it better then the other poems.
ReplyDelete@ emrald
ReplyDeleteI agree with her because it is one of those poems. I did have to read it a couple of times. I also think the same about the love situation. I also agree with the pride thing.
I think this poem is about people who are recognized for there success and greatness but it seems that he doesn’t care if he is recognized because he knows no one can take away his greatness. This sonnet is also about how the success of some men can be taken away and how the media views the person that measures how much success someone can have. One minute the media or the public loves you and you’re successful if you slip up or do something the media doesn’t like your nothing and your not remembered. This means we should all measure our greatness on not what other people think of us but on what we know ourselves is great.
ReplyDeleteI am commenting on lieghas comment
ReplyDeleteShe completely nailed it I think that’s exactly what this sonnet means not to measure ourselves on the likes of others. She’s exactly right on how love makes an impact. We should all seek being great in things not for others but for ourselves. People change and if you rely on the opinions of other people you might change yourself.
I think this sonnet was reffering to peoples talents. I think that it's about a group of peopel. They alll have talents but all want to act. Not all of their talents are for acting. If you have different talents then don't be affraid to show them.
ReplyDeleteJustin Noote
I agree with Andrew Simpson. I like what he said about how people who are famous brag and put others down. I agree with the part when he said that if you're famous then you shouldn't make fun of those who are not. We all have talents that are equally important in different ways.
ReplyDeleteJustin Noote
I believe this is talking about a great victory that someone as won. How they may have the right to be proud for what they have done and brag on it. Also how the princes pride has fallen and being baried to the grown in sadness because it as died. I thought this sonnet was sort of great and sad at the same time, going more towards the end of it.DanielTaverna
ReplyDeleteWhen it comes to agreeing with someone I would have to agree with Justin Noote. Because as I think about the sonnet, I do think it as to do with showing your talent and sometimes falling at it or maybe being afraid. You just got to do your best not to mess up. Maybe as to do with being to prideful ending up into a fall because of it. Talent can show a lot and so can pride.Daniel Taverna
ReplyDeleteThis was a really interesting sonnet. I believe that the narrator is explaning how people brag about their accomplishments instead of being humble. I also believe that the narrator is saying that he's done many things, but people do not recognize him, and when the others who brag do something wrong, the don't admit to it. This sonnet really makes you think.
ReplyDeleteChelsey A.
I agree with Dominique Johnson. In the beginning I believe they are talking about someone being too prideful. It's also possible that they are talking about that they are forgetting about the importance of others. I think Dominique nailed it.
ReplyDeleteChelsey A.
To me the this sonnet says that titles die, fame doesn't last forever. Famous people may be famous for their life time, but say slowlt fade away to nothing more. I also beleive that those who are humble, the ones who acsomplish all of life's daily challenges are over looked. Overall I beleive this sonnet means the little things are always overlooked.
ReplyDeleteI think it is saying let those who pride in what they have boast, while the reader will be content with what he has. The sonnent then goes on to say in more detail on how others boast, then ends the sonnet with talking about some one who has fought along the way.
ReplyDeleteSam McGill